Our Relationship Reset: Turning Self-Awareness Into Meaningful Action (Part Two)

Some relationships don’t break because of big events—they fracture quietly through years of misunderstanding, assumptions, and unspoken emotion.

In this two-part series, we invited Marcus Straub—coach, mentor, brother-in-law to Erin and husband to Kellie and—to guide us through a live, unscripted deep-dive into our own relationship as sisters.

In Part One, we explored self-awareness through our DISC assessments: how we’re wired to behave, communicate, and respond under pressure. 

In Part Two, we take it a step further—uncovering the Driving Forces that shape our motivations, influence our responses & reactions, and define how we show up for the people we love. Understanding the WHY behind our HOW.

We laugh, reflect, and lean into the sometimes uncomfortable truths about family, communication, and the courage it takes to listen without judgment or assumption. What began as a coaching session became a powerful reminder that healing relationships isn’t about fixing what’s broken—it’s about rediscovering what’s possible.

In this episode, we:

• Explore the 12 Driving Forces and how they influence relationships
• Discover why curiosity and courage are more powerful than control
• Learn to listen without defensiveness and speak without blame
• Discuss the power of empathy, healthy boundaries, and compassion
• Show how behavioral tools can bring connection back to families

... and so much more!

Every conversation we have reminds us that self-awareness is the foundation for all kinds of love—between siblings, partners, friends, families, and even within ourselves.

If you’re ready to experience your own "reset," explore The P-I-G Relationship Reset—a guided and deeply personal coaching experience to help you discover, understand, and heal together. 

 ✨ Learn more at thepigpodcast.com/relationship-reset.

Chapters

• 0:05 From Awareness To Application
• 0:12 Framing Part Two: Driving Forces
• 1:58 Recap Of DISC And Comparison Insights
• 5:23 Reading Kelly’s Driving Characteristics
• 10:20 Reading Erin’s Driving Characteristics
• 14:20 The Knowledge Continuum: Instinctive vs Intellectual
• 19:40 Harmony As Shared Ground
• 23:54 The Power Continuum: Collaborative vs Commanding
• 29:26 Page 14: Intensity And “Fence Posts” Of Motivation
• 36:08 Stories That Reveal The Why
• 42:04 Utility And ROI: Selfless vs Resourceful
• 47:25 Surroundings: Objective vs Harmonious
• 52:46 Others: Intentional vs Altruistic
• 56:31 Methodologies: Receptive vs Structured
• 1:00:11 Strategies To Close Motivational Gaps
• 1:06:05 Strengths Spotlight: Reading Each Other’s Top Strengths
• 1:14:30 Self-Awareness: Naming Personal Limitations
• 1:22:15 Energizers: What Gives Each Of Us Energy
• 1:28:10 Stressors: Reducing The Friction
• 1:34:40 Integrating DISC + Driving Forces: Combined Strengths
• 1:42:36 Potential Conflicts And The Power Of The Pause
• 1:49:22 Ideal Environments And Practical Applications

Transcript

Kellie: 0:05

What happens after awareness? After you finally see yourself clearly? Where do you go from there? What do you do next? In the second part of our relationship reset, we move from insight to action, from understanding ourselves to applying what we've learned in real time with the people we love.

Erin: 0:23

Marcus joins us again, not as our coach and guide, but as someone who's helped us turn awareness into everyday practice. In this conversation, we go beyond the how into the why, taking a deep dive into our driving forces, what motivates us, what moves us, what unites us, and what can divide us if we're not paying attention. This episode is about building bridges between differences, learning to listen without defense, and discovering how love, leadership, and legacy all begin in the same place, within ourselves.

Kellie: 0:57

Welcome to The P-I-G, where we explore life, love, loss, and legacy through real conversations and meaningful stories with purpose, intention, and gratitude. We're Kellie and Erin, sisters, best friends, sometimes polar opposites, but always deeply connected by the life and love of our mother Marsha, the one who taught us that every relationship can grow into something great when we lead with curiosity, courage, and compassion.

Kellie: 1:32

Well, here we are, back for part two of DISC and Driving Forces. Listeners, if you did not check out part one, I'm encouraging you to go back and start there, because today isn't going to make a lot of sense to you if you didn't hear part one. Although you're still going to have a lot of fun because this is The P-I-G, and we are really looking forward to a great adventure today. So last time, Marcus, we went through our behavioral assessments and spent some time looking at the comparison report, which we have put online for listeners so that they can actually get a sneak peek into who Erin and I are at a little bit deeper level and kind of go on the journey with us as we have reconnected as sisters through the Boxes Project and also working on The P-I-G podcast. And we take this information and these skills with us into every single guest interview. And so the work that we're doing here with you as our coach in the hot seat is really not just supporting us as individuals in our personal life, but also in our professional work and our hobby work, our fun work. We can't thank you enough for taking time to really explore this with us, to share it with listeners. And listeners, again, we want to remind you that you can log on to the website and you can actually pull up the report that we're looking at. So you can follow along in real time or go back and reference it later if you want to. We're gonna do our very best to explain in detail what we are seeing on the screen so you can follow along. So, Marcus, if you would, would you just give us a little recap of what we did last time with disk, what DISC actually stands for, what we're looking at when we look at disk behavioral styles. And not all disk models are created equal. We're using a really great one. And what we're gonna be looking at today is we take a dive into driving forces.

Marcus Straub: 3:43

Absolutely. Great to be back with you ladies again today. I had tons of fun with you last episode, just kind of going through your behavioral style. And basically what we covered was something called DISC. It's a behavioral model that we can assess people on to understand how they're likely to do what they do both personally and professionally in four different continuums. One continuum being how do they solve problems and challenges? We call that the D continuum or driver. How do they influence other people to their point of view? We call that the influencer column or I. What is their pace? Are they steady paced? Are they fast-paced? How consistent or inconsistent would they do a job? We call that one S or steady in the disk model. And then lastly, how well do they follow the rules, policies, and procedures set by other people? We call that conscientious compliant or C in the disk model. And we had a really great opportunity to go through your guys' care comparison report, basically looking at you side by side, and to try to understand where you guys are similar or aligned very easily, and where you have to understand the differences between each other and how to bridge that gap by working towards each other through this understanding so that you really are more seamless in how you live as sisters, how you work together as podcasters, and everything else that you do together in this life. We were able to have some fun, we laughed a little bit. There was some wonderful emotion, especially from the values page where we really got to talk about what each of you valued about the other one from the report. And I love that page so much, as I said in the last episode, because you really just see people kind of surprised and really pleased and satisfied. And it just feels so good, you know, to hear somebody say good things about you, things that maybe you didn't even think that they thought about you. So there's lots of good information in those reports. The first episode or last episode was a great one. And today we get to drive in to the next section, which is driving forces. And this is a really fun episode, too, because what we're gonna be talking about today is why do you guys do what you do? Yes, last time it was how you do what you do. Now it's why. What motivations do you bring to your work and your personal life? What things do you value and not value? Where do you align and where do you not align? And we're gonna really cover some great territory here. And then as we wrap up the episode today, we're gonna actually take your DISC and your driving forces, blend them together, and really come up with what we call the integration, where we get to look at some strengths, some weaknesses, some ideal environments, etc., with the blend of these two assessments in one on each of you.

Erin: 6:17

Wow. Well, that was an incredible overview of what we have done so far and what we are looking forward to. So thank you for that recap. And I am thrilled to dive into part two of this today.

Marcus Straub: 6:33

Well, why don't we just get started? For all the listeners out there, the report that you've pulled up - that you've been able to download offline - we are on page 13. It's titled Driving Characteristics. And basically what we're looking at here are some general characteristics, a broad understanding of why Erin and Kellie do what they do based on their top four driving forces. There's a total number of 12, and we're going to look at the top four in particular in this comparison report because these are the ones that really throw them into action. So, as we start with this page, what I'd like to do is something we did in the DISC as well is we have some general characteristics about Erin and some general characteristics about Kellie. And I'd like you, Erin, please, to read the general characteristics about your sister Kellie to the audience today. And then we'll do the same thing with Kellie and we'll just have a conversation after each of you um read what you have to say.

Erin: 7:25

All right, sounds great. Driving characteristics. Kellie sees value in consuming current information from many sources. She sees herself as an intellectual and will seek opportunities to bring new information to the organization. She will be a great resource in helping to identify valuable and informational resources. She will flourish in an environment where she has the opportunity to create harmony and balance in her surroundings and relationships. Kellie is most comfortable working in an aesthetically pleasing environment. Looking and feeling good enhances her daily productivity. She is seeking opportunities to enhance her ever-changing system for living. She can be an out-of-the-box thinker. Kellie will complete tasks and projects without the need for public recognition. She can set aside her own agenda for the good of the company. She may see money as a necessary tool as opposed to a measurement of success. She may attempt to assist an individual or group to overcome adversity.

Marcus Straub: 8:26

Very, very nice. Does that sound like the sister you know?

Erin: 8:29

Yes, it does.

Marcus Straub: 8:31

She's a lovely lady. I married her!

Erin: 8:34

Yes, she is...

Marcus Straub: 8:35

You know, as you read those descriptions, once you really get familiar with these assessments, you can understand what her primary driving forces are without any graph to tell you exactly what she is. So, right out of the gate, we're talking about learning. She's intellectual. We start to then talk about her environment. She likes an aesthetically pleasing environment. She's harmonious. And then from there we go into her receptiveness, always trying to look for new ways of doing things, that outside the box thinker. And then lastly, that highly collaborative nature that she has and wanting to work with others and pull things together. So, right out the bat, we know that Kellie is intellectual number one, she's harmonious, number two, she is receptive receptive number three, and collaborative number four. Kellie, any comments about what she read about you?

Kellie: 9:20

Check, check, check, check. Yeah, I mean, that's just me to a T. And this again, I said it in part one, I'll say it here again. It is so freeing and liberating to see black and white words on paper that really tell the story of you. I think it gives people so much permission to just be authentically who they are and to stand in that confidence.

Marcus Straub: 9:49

I agree. And I want to make sure everybody remembers there's no good, bad, right or wrong here. This is just how you're built, what motivations you bring, what values you bring to your life and your work every day. And it's really how we manage those consciously. We all have positive and negative tendencies that can arise. And it's just a matter of being who you are, living out of your strength, living out of your potential as a human being, and being self-aware so that when any tendencies arise that may interrupt that, you can redirect yourself in a better way.

Kellie: 10:15

I love that.

Marcus Straub: 10:17

All right, Kellie, your turn. How about reading Erin's?

Kellie: 10:20

Erin feels a high level of satisfaction when she is able to create rapport and tranquility with others. Looking and feeling good enhances her daily productivity. She is most comfortable working in an aesthetically pleasing environment. She is comfortable starting a project before gathering all the necessary information. Erin may prefer a summary to a full-length version. She will view and use knowledge as a needed resource or a means to an end. She values people for who they are versus what they can provide. She will not measure success based on her level of compensation. Erin wants to control her own destiny and display her independence. She may be energized by public recognition. She may pick and choose the traditions and beliefs to which she will adhere. Erin's intention to help others is determined on an individual basis.

Marcus Straub: 11:19

Erin, how does that sound?

Erin: 11:20

That sounds like me.

Marcus Straub: 11:24

You know, right out of the bat, look at what we can identify here. Erin, you're instinctive where your sister's intellectual, meaning that you really go up past experiences, gut intuition, instincts, and really only learn what you want to learn or need to learn. Kellie will learn anything for the sake of learning. She just wants to learn as much as she possibly can, and she has more trouble going off instinct past experiences, et cetera, because you two are polar opposite ends of that same knowledge continuum where you're instinctive and she's intellectual. Not good, not bad, not right or wrong. In fact, I think that's a really great counterbalance for the both of you because where Kellie may just want to learn, learn, learn, you could say, "Hey, sister, I think we might know enough about this already to move forward on that." And where you don't want to do dig in and learn as much as you need to, she might say, "Hey, sister, I think we need to learn a little bit more about this so we're more of an authority on this topic and less of, you know, not looking like we don't know what we're talking about." She can actually help you with that too, whether it's in business decisions or in life. And the other thing that we see here is that you're both harmonious, so you both are into the experience and the relationship we talked about in your DISC last time. You guys are relationship oriented and you both want a harmonious, balanced, peaceful, pleasing experience with each other. And that's what's so important to understand as you guys continue to just grow your relationship through this process. Anything you want to add there, Erin? Any comments about your particular description?

Erin: 12:52

No, just like Kellie, it definitely describes me, what I would consider to be very accurately.

Marcus Straub: 13:01

Very nice.

Kellie: 13:02

I was thinking back to our conversation in part one about naming the episodes because Erin brought that up.

Marcus Straub: 13:09

That's right.

Kellie: 13:10

And, you know, of course, we use all kinds of tools and I bring several names to the table. And Erin instinctively, and this is part of the reason why I do this, is the intellectual part of me says, okay, based on what we know and what the topic and the was and the conversation went like, we have this, this, and this. And I love sending those to Erin because her instinct says, I like this one. And so then we go back and forth on that. And on the harmonious side, I think that's why we actually love working on this project together and the outcomes that we produce together, because the harmony part of it is so important to us. So, as we were talking about that, there were just two things that came up for me from our part one conversation.

Marcus Straub: 13:55

Absolutely. That's so wonderful. You guys have realizations as we go. That's that's really what this is about. When you work through an assessment like this with anybody, you're hoping to have label moments, realizations, things like, oh, wow, I didn't realize that before, greater levels of understanding, greater levels of awareness equal greater levels of opportunity for success and happiness. Period. All right, ladies, let's go to page 14 now and take a look here at your primary cluster driving forces wheel. And what this is basically letting us know is where you guys have similar driving forces, where you have different ones, and also their level of intensity. So we look down at the bottom underneath the wheel, wherever we see a number one, that is your first driving force, two is second, three is your third driving force, and four is your fourth driving force. Erin is blue, Kellie is green. So let's start with Erin. Erin, we can see that your number one driving force is harmonious. You are passionately harmonious. This is a big deal to you. Anytime have you noticed that whenever something kind of goes wrong in your world, one little thing can kind of throw everything off in your universe. Have you noticed that?

Erin: 15:00

Oh, yes.

Marcus Straub: 15:01

The higher harmonious we are, the more of a high S you are, the more likely that's the case because we're so sensitive to changes in the environment, our personal environment. And what you're seeking is harmony and balance in your environment. So when it gets tilted, it really tilts.

Erin: 15:15

Yeah, that describes me perfectly. And I would even say, then I really I am very easily distracted. And so when things aren't harmonious, you know, if if there's dirty dishes in the sink or if my desk is cluttered, I am far less productive. It's really hard for me to work in an environment that feels chaotic.

Marcus Straub: 15:37

There you go. There you go. Does it happen with relationships too? Like because we're talking about harmonious nature just in your relationships as well, the experience of life. So if one little thing goes wrong in one experience, it can kind of tilt you pretty big until you can figure out what's going on and try to work through it with the other person, correct?

Erin: 15:53

Yes, very much so. And I feel like everything in my life kind of touches everything else. I'm... I'm very... I don't compartmentalize things very well. I feel like everything's connected in my world. And so if something's off at work, then it carries over into my home life. Or if something's off at home, it carries into my work in my day-to-day. So I just feel like everything's like spaghetti. Everything touches.

Marcus Straub: 16:19

That's good. That's very good analogy. Kellie, you're number two harmonious. So that's your second driving force that you have very strong in you as well. Do some of those things we just talked about with Erin resonate with you too?

Kellie: 16:30

Oh, absolutely. Yep. Little hiccups, you know, that come up can throw me off kilter or out of whack. I think this is where, you know, really working on staying tuned in to my internal environment as well as my external environment really helps me a lot. But yes, I don't go to bed without the dishes being done. I don't start my day without the dishes being put away and the bed being made. And that harmony in my environment, working in a really uncluttered space, you know, about every two weeks or so, I really have to get in and clean my office, right? Make sure everything's kind of put away where it belongs. And I like our home to be nice and clean and tidy and look pretty, our home both inside and outside. So I see this play out in so many areas of my life.

Marcus Straub: 17:21

And I think there's a great point to make here. So both of you are low C, okay, in your DISC, you're both low C, which means that you wouldn't necessarily be the neatest, tidiest people. But here's what's important you're both highly harmonious, meaning that your driving force overpowers your low C and your DISC and makes you do the dishes, make the bed, put things away. We have to understand as we're going through this, the driving forces is stronger than your DISC. And when we put the two together, they really become powerful. So this is why you guys are orderly and neat and structured in that sense, because and want K our structure, not chaos, is because you want harmony and balance through your harmonious driving force.

Kellie: 18:00

I think that's a great explanation too, Marcus, because we do know that two people can have the exact same behavioral profile or very similar behavioral graph, say adapted and natural, and yet their driving forces could be completely opposite. So if they just look at their behavioral assessment and there are still differences to overcome and they don't understand why, it's because they haven't dug deeper down to that underneath layer of why, because the why drives the how.

Marcus Straub: 18:34

Exactly. Well stated, Kellie. It's so important. I think you know, it's really wise to try to do a disk and a driving force together because you're not getting the whole story if you just do one or the other. You're getting more of the whole story if you do both. So it's really it's neat that we get to look at both sides of you guys today because you do have some similarities in your disk, but you also have a lot of differences in your driving forces, as we can see from page 14. The only place where you guys actually have the same driving force is harmony, harmonious. The only one, everything else, the other three for each of you is different, and these are powerful. You know, DISC we adapt. We can walk into the front door of our work, or we can walk into our front door of our home, and our brain is like a supercomputer, it assesses the environment, what the perceived new demands and needs are of that environment, and it adjusts our behavioral style to meet those perceived needs and demands so that we can fulfill them. They change on a daily basis and they change easier. These driving forces are more like fence posts stuck in concrete, they don't really move unless there's a critical life incident, something really positive or really negative that happened to sort of shake you to the core as a being and reconfigure how you value things and why you do what you do. So these are powerful, what we're talking about today. And we'll just dig a little bit deeper, continue to show some of that power to you guys and the listeners as well. When we go over to you, Kellie, as we talked about earlier, your number one is intellectual, true seeker, inquisitive, perpetual. And I can attest to that, everybody. She is 100%, she is passionately intellectual. I'm instinctive, I'm like Erin. Erin and I have some similarities. And then Erin's number two is instinctive, the opposite of Kellie, the other side of the continuum here, where she's just interested in relevant knowledge, she's intuitive, and it's only essential or desirable knowledge that she's after. The rest of it, I don't really care. So quite a difference, but as we talked about earlier, you guys can counterbalance each other once you know how to work with this thing, which we talked about a little bit earlier.

Kellie: 20:32

Do you want to share the fun story about an intellectual?

Marcus Straub: 20:36

I do. This is a fun story. I thought about it. All right, so here it is. My wife and I were in the car driving to um Zion National Park, and we were coming in on the east entrance. And before you get to the park, you kind of come around this corner, and there's these open grassy meadows with these spruce forests sort of dotted throughout them. And we came around this corner, and out of this one spruce forest, I don't know, it must have been 200 or so wild turkeys started were streaming out of this forest to feed in the open grassland or meadow in the evening. And I said, get that, sweetheart. There's like I've never seen that many wild turkeys in one place in my life. And she said, I haven't either. I said, I wonder what they're called. And she goes, Me too. But we just kept driving. We didn't have internet. And so we kept driving, and about two miles down the road, out of this another spruce forest, were even more turkeys. I think there had to have been at least 300 streaming out of this forest. It was absolutely an incredible sight. So cool. And I said to her again, I wonder what in the world those are called. Now I was curious, okay. My instinctive was curious because I like nature. So I was interested because it was something I like. As soon as we got into cell phone range, my wife got on her phone, she Googled it, and she came back with the answer. That many wild turkeys is called a "rafter," R-A-F-T-E-R. So now everybody knows. And that's the difference. An intellectual person must know the information. They can't resist looking. An instinctive person is like, Well, I'm just kind of curious about it. And if they really, really, really want to know, they'll look it up. But fortunately, I have my wife, and so she helped me learn what it was.

Kellie: 22:10

I inherited it from Pop! Yes, yes, yes. If our listeners go back and listen to Pop's episodes, and we talk a lot about that. He is the master intellect intellectual in our family.

Marcus Straub: 22:24

He must know. If we go here to your number three driving force, we can see that Erin, you're actually in the selfless category, meaning when you perform your work, it's not that you're trying to get an ROI in terms of financial reward, as much as it's doing your work, doing it well, having satisfaction in the work that you do, having the time and the resources to do it. And we know that you don't like to be pushed, right? We talked about that yesterday. So if your manager gives you the time and the resources to do your work so you can do it well and you can feel that satisfaction of having completed it and done it well, that's pretty rewarding to you in all likelihood, according to what we're seeing from this graph. Would you agree?

Erin: 23:04

Yes, I definitely agree with that.

Marcus Straub: 23:06

Okay. Kellie, your number three is receptive. So not only are you a low C in DISC - an outside the box thinker, high intellectual - but you're also receptive. Think about that. Right there, you have three marks of a human being who just wants as much information as you can. "I want to think outside the box." There's that big thinker that your sister praised you for yesterday. And then, "What are new ways we can do this? What are better ways that we can do this?" Always looking. And that's something you have done since I have I've known you. It's just a part of who you are. It has not changed that part of you. And then your number four, Kellie, comes in as collaborative, really wanting to partner with people, empower others, synergistic, kind of work with a talented group of people behind the scenes, not necessarily looking for the accolades or the leadership role, but really bringing people together and doing great work together as a team. This is really strong in you. It's your number four. Um, do you have anything to say about that one?

Kellie: 24:04

No, other than you nailed it, I love collaborating with all people, personally and professionally. In fact, versus going at it alone, I would always love to do something in partnership with somebody else.

Marcus Straub: 24:20

Fair enough. Fair enough. If we look at Erin, she's directly across the same continuum from you. Just like with the knowledge continuum, this is the power continuum. She's commanding in her number four position. So she really would like more prestige, recognition. She would like to be known as the leader, have a more of a legacy in this life, a living legacy that lives on after she is gone, which I think is interesting because part of your show is about legacy, right? Here you guys had this had this difference. And so here's another opportunity to work together and counterbalance each other. You know, collaboration is a wonderful thing, and so is wanting to lead or have control over one's destiny. And that you can go a little bit either way with this and really help each other out. And there may be times where this becomes a rub if you don't remember it in the moment, because Erin may want to take the wheel a little bit more. She may be a little frustrated because she feels like she can't take the wheel a little bit more because you're her bigger sister, and some of that bias is still in there, and she needs to be able to move past that a little bit and come into this new relationship with you, understanding that she does want to have a little more control over her destiny. And that's okay. There's no problem with that. It's as long as you guys talk about it.

Erin: 25:29

I love it. Yeah, me too. Fascinating.

Marcus Straub: 25:33

All right. If we oh, go ahead.

Kellie: 25:35

I was gonna say, I think it builds off to so many of the conversations that Erin and I continue to have in relation to the boxes project that we're working on. As we look at that wheel and those core driving forces, and where we are similar in our harmonious and we where we are different in our collaborative versus commanding and our intellectual versus instinctive, so much of this goes back to even our childhood. I'm reflecting on conversations that we've had where we're remembering certain memories or we're opening up about certain experiences and we're talking about where some of that disconnection and where some of that rub actually took place. And I can see some of that, not so much in the behavioral styles in the disc, but especially when we start to get into the driving forces and our values and where we may have butted heads a little bit, swept those crumbs underneath the carpet and just let them sit there forever, instead of having the confidence and trust in that safe environment that we've created for each other to just have an open dialogue and a conversation about it without hurt feelings, without anybody getting upset, without pointing fingers, without any blame, without any good, bad, right or wrong, just reminding each other and ourselves of who we are and who each other are.

Marcus Straub: 27:08

Absolutely.

Erin: 27:09

Yeah, that's really beautiful. Thank you for expanding on that. I completely agree. And I think that it's also interesting reflecting on conversations that we've had. And especially, yes, like you said, working with Chris Howard on The Boxes project and some of these really raw conversations that we've had about especially certain aspects of our childhood and family members, and just knowing these things, these aspects of ourselves and each other. It's also interesting to be able to put words to why you want answers about certain things and how life unfolded the way that it did. Whereas I don't necessarily always need to know the A, B, and C one, two, three steps of how we got to that place. I I just I know we got there and then I know we came out on the other side. And for me, a lot of times that's just it's just good enough. Yeah. Does that make sense?

Kellie: 28:15

It makes total sense. And I think that it's human nature, especially in siblings, we're seven years apart in age, to say, oh, well, that's her being a bossy bratty big sister, or her being a bratty little sister, instead of saying, no, we're just two different human beings. And it's really showing up in this specific report. And I think this has been one of the greatest aspects of our reconnecting and building the relationship of our dreams, not just through the process of working on the boxes and doing the podcast together, but really respecting one another as the human beings that we were born and created to be.

Erin: 28:55

Yeah.

Marcus Straub: 28:55

And that's a really wise choice, you know, because you are different, but you're both wonderful in your own right. And if we go to page 15 of the report, we get to talk a little bit more about those differences and those similarities and some things to watch out for as you move forward, because there's some real key markers on this page. A couple of things I'll point out first. Erin's on the left, Kellie's on the right. And if you just look, we can look by color. And by color alone, we can identify where you're similar and where you're different. Okay. So we know if we look at Erin number one harmonious and Kellie number two harmonious, those are the same driving force. Those are the same why, the same value that you guys have there. Erin's is 92, Kellie's is 67. And pay attention to the gray wedge, the average where 68% of respondents score underneath there. You are so far ahead, you are three standard deviations above the mean, Erin, that you are extremely passionate. Very few people in the world live up there with you. So that value that you have for harmoniousness is more than many, many people have. And Could be hard for some people to relate to. The good news about you and Kellie is that Kellie's at 76. She's two standard deviations above the mean, and she is passionately harmonious. So she can live in that world with you in relative ease because you two are close enough together in your scores to be able to really value this dimension at a very, very high level. It's almost as if you're speaking each other's language here, if you will, naturally. Kind of feels good, doesn't it?

Kellie: 30:28

It does. Yeah.

Marcus Straub: 30:29

The next thing that we'll see is that you also have two red bars. So Erin has number two instinctive, and Kellie has number one intellectual. Again, Erin is extremely passionately instinctive. She really only wants to know what she really only wants to know or needs to know. The rest of it, it has no room in her life. She doesn't value it. It's not going to move her into action to do it. This is important for Kellie to know because Kellie is 88. She is two standard deviations above the mean, above the average here. She is passionately intellectual and she's driven to know. She has to know, just like you talked about, Erin, with what's happened in the family. I kind of know we're here. I kind of know some things and we're over it. Now we're on with our lives. And Kellie's like, I have to understand why this all happened. What does it mean? Why did this happen? And so for you guys to understand this, because you're at the opposite ends of this continuum, is very important. Kellie may want, why doesn't Erin want to know more about this? Well, because she's extremely passionately instinctive. And for whatever reason, it's not necessary or desirable for her. Maybe that's a conversation to find out where how she feels about it. And maybe by talking about it, she may be more excited about it. But if we don't talk about it, we just get frustrated with it, then that's where we kind of rub rub each other raw a little bit. And the same is true for Erin with Kellie. Why do you want to know so much about this? Why is it so important that you absolutely have to know when we don't even know where to go to find the knowledge or something like that? And then you guys can have a conversation, try to understand Kellie's drive even better. And then that helps you guys come closer together in that difference of value to really be able to live and work together in a superior way. Oh, yes.

Kellie: 32:46

It's this concept of caring, because I have caught myself at times in the past saying, why doesn't Erin care? And I'm sure Erin, maybe, you'll have to answer this for yourself, has thought, why does she care so much?

Speaker 1: 33:04

That's right.

Kellie: 33:05

And it's not about caring, it's about motivation or what we value or what we need for understanding. It has nothing to do with caring. Erin and I both care to the depths of who we are as human beings. We just care a little bit about something different that we're bringing to the table to find that commonality, to find that balance point, to find that place in the middle where we both feel comfortable moving forward.

Marcus Straub: 33:34

Well said. Well said. It isn't about not caring, it's about what we value and what motivates us. That's right.

Kellie: 33:40

Yeah.

Marcus Straub: 33:40

And if we go a little bit further, we can see that now we're starting to get into some different colors here. Number three, Erin, selfless. Again, you are two standard deviations above the mean. So you are passionately selfless. This is a big deal for you. This is important for your sister to understand. Where Kellie is able to move faster, has a greater sense of urgency, et cetera. Um, and she looks at you and she's maybe wanting something from you to produce something or whatever the case may be. And she has to understand that you have a pace, and that pace is pretty set. It really is. With your high S and your high selfless, your pace is pretty set. At the same time, there are probably times where you could have a greater sense of urgency and meet the deadline a little bit better if you prioritize what you were working, for example. And that's just a conversation again, as opposed to getting frustrated with each other, so that you can work based up with each other based on how you're built, not what you expect or think the other person should or shouldn't do. That's where we get into trouble. This is really where we open up the door to great relationships, great communication, and great outcomes.

Kellie: 34:42

Love it.

Marcus Straub: 34:43

And then Kellie, your number three is receptive. Now, receptive, you're passionate here too. 72 above the average, two standard deviations above the mean. And so you're extremely really, really open. And Erin's not as open as you. Erin leans more towards structured than receptive, which is on the same exact continuum. So Erin has a little bit more black and white, right and wrong, good and bad. This is how it's been, this is how it always should be. Customs and things like that, right? So holiday traditions are very important to her. Not that they're not to you, sweetheart, but they're more to Erin. And so this is another area where Kellie may always bring new ideas to the table, new ways of doing things. And Erin's like, but it's working the way it is. And so you guys may have a rebel or something like that. And that's the point of talking again, knowing that one of you is a little bit more structured, a little bit more closed-minded about how things can be, and the other one is the opposite. And so let's meet in the middle. Where can we find common ground on this one and work through any sort of snag that we might encounter? Does that make sense?

Erin: 35:46

That makes a lot of sense. That's cool.

Marcus Straub: 35:48

I think it's good you guys can kind of laugh about it as we talk about it. You're recognizing, remembering different times when this has happened, and that's really what's fun about this. Yeah, if we come down to your last four driving forces, okay, these are your number four, they're not your strongest, most powerful ones, but they are the juices always flowing through both of these. Again, you're on the same continuum, but at opposite ends of it, and that is Erin commanding. She's only mainstream, though. She's right at the mean, center of the average. So Erin isn't like over the top, crazy. I want to lead, I want recognition, I want status, I want power, I want legacy. She's average with that, so it's not going to show up aggressively in her in all likelihood. But she does have those feelings, I would imagine. Is that true, Erin?

Erin: 36:32

Yeah, that's true for sure.

Marcus Straub: 36:34

And then Kellie, you are passionately collaborative. You are passionate. All top your four top four driving forces, Kellie, are all passionate, meaning that you're up there where above where most people score in this particular area. And so you have very strong feelings about it, very strong motivations around this. And that's important to understand as you're dealing with anyone, but including your sister in this situation, whereas collaboration matters so much to you. And, you know, you said yesterday, one of the things you you don't want from your sister in communication is being curt, cold, or tight-lipped. You need knowledge, you value connection, and you want to communicate. And so when Erin doesn't collaborate with you in the communication that you need, it can be very frustrating with you, but she wants control of her own destiny to do what she wants to do when she wants to do it in the moment she wants to do it because she's obstinate, as we talked about yesterday, too, in her in her C in her disc. So putting all these pieces of the puzzle together is what's so beautiful because now we're starting to see, oh, all this stuff makes you who you are. And all we have to do is understand it, communicate, work together, and be the best sisters we can be. And it's all going to be fantastic.

Kellie: 37:42

Oh, I love that so much. Erin, I was immediately thinking about when I'll send you messages about every single thing we're making decisions on because I love to collaborate and I want your input and your ideas, and you're like, go with your gut, whatever you think. I'm good. I trust you. I'm like, no, give me your ideas. Tell me what you think. You're like, "No, just go with it. I think it's awesome." And I'm like, "Oh my gosh, okay, here we go...!"

Erin: 38:15

See, that's good information for me to have now so that I can change my approach a little bit.

Marcus Straub: 38:23

Fair, right? That's exactly what it is, right there.

Erin: 38:25

Absolutely.

Marcus Straub: 38:26

Well done, ladies. And so if we keep going a little bit further to page 16 here, what we're gonna look at is there's a total of 12 driving forces. And on this first page 16, we get to look at the first six. And remember, each one of these is two ends of a continuum. So, like when we look at knowledge, the red bar, instinctive is on one side, intellectual is on the other. And as you score out towards them, the the score gets stronger and stronger and stronger. We can look at your guys' score on this page. Erin scored 76 instinctive, Kellie scored zero. Now, now look at the next one. Erin scored six intellectual and Kellie scored 88. This is the Grand Canyon, people! You guys are so far apart on this, it's not even funny. But yet we can laugh about it, understand it, and work with it once we know what it is and how it really plays out in the lives of the people we love and work with, you know?

Erin: 39:24

Yeah. I think that that's the key is understanding, just understanding that we're different, and it's good that we're different, and it's okay to be different. And it removes, you know, the expectation of wanting people to think more like us or do things more our way. Having these tools and resources eliminates that, you know, because now I have no... how do I word this? It just removes those thoughts of, "I wish Kellie did it this way" or "I wish she thought more like me about this." Instead, it's embracing the differences and understanding where we're both strong and how that complements each other.

Marcus Straub: 40:08

Absolutely. Well said.

Kellie: 40:09

Yeah, it's instead of what's wrong with her, it's my yin to your yang.

Erin: 40:15

Yeah.

Kellie: 40:16

Or your yang to my yin. And I think especially on this knowledge continuum, instinctive versus intellectual, we dove headfirst into a new project in a new platform that neither one of us had ever done before with any experience whatsoever. And so this has been a really incredible learning curve. And we have very successfully, and I'm actually really proud of us, leaned into both intellect and instinct. And here we are. I think this is really great. I think it's a celebration. I agree.

Marcus Straub: 40:53

It is, it's wonderful. And if we continue down the page, we're going to come to the next continuum, utility. This showed up for Erin, selfless number three, right? And so she scored a 64, Kellie scored a 68. The difference is only six points. Selfless actually shows up in Kellie's indifferent group of driving force clusters that are on sometimes and not on other times. So you guys are really close here. In other words, the difference between you is literally six points. So I don't think you're ever going to have a real issue on the selfless thing. Kellie likes to have enough time and the resources to do the work and do the work well too. She gets that just like you do. It's just that it's really strong in you because it's in your top four. If we look at resourceful underneath that, which is on the same continuum, these are people who value an ROI, a return on their investment, wanting to maximize the return on all resources. You both scored a 17. You scored exactly the same score. There's no difference between the two of you. You're not in a lot of things for the the money necessarily. What you're in it for is the satisfaction of doing something powerful and meaningful. It's beautiful.

Erin: 41:58

I love how perfectly that represents what we're doing here.

Marcus Straub: 42:04

Yeah. If we go down to the next one, surroundings, this is where your guys' harmonious comes out of, right? So one end of that continuum is objective, the other end is harmonious. We'll start with your harmonious scores. Erin, you scored a 92, Kellie scored a 76. You're both passionate. Erin's just extremely passionate, so she's over-the-top harmonious, right? But you both understand this here and you both live your life. This is a very important component for both of you. It's like a nutrient that you must have on a daily basis to feel balanced and fulfilled and good and solid in your life. You know what I mean?

Kellie: 42:36

Yes, absolutely.

Marcus Straub: 42:38

And the objective one up above, we can see Erin scored a zero in objective, which doesn't surprise me because she scored a 92 in harmonious. So exceptionally passionate about harmonious. I don't care about the objective nature of things. And Kellie scored a 14, very low, too. So both of you are indifferent. This does not matter, it does not drive you into action, it is not a value that you have. And the difference is harmonious people are all about the harmony of the experience, balance of the experience, harmony, what do things smell like, look like, taste like, feel like? Objective people simply just want what they need to do the job. Put them in a room. I don't need windows, I don't need pictures of my family, I don't need anything but the computer, the printer, whatever it is I need to do my job, and I'm happy. People like you guys need windows, you need light, you need plants, you need pictures of family. It's not good, bad, right, or wrong again. It's just very different. And because you guys are so harmonious and you're high eye, you're more prone to easily being distracted. In other words, squirrel, all the time, squirrel, right? Anything that moves by, it captures your attention. Your phone buzzes, it lights up, it captures your attention. Objective people have the ability to stay focused in the center of chaos on what they're doing because they're not interested in the experience, they're interested in getting it done. You guys are interested in experience, so it's like little sparks flying left and right as you get get distracted by different things. Is it's a challenge that you guys have that is worth working on? It will actually help you to gain some some control with that one.

Kellie: 44:04

Huh?

Marcus Straub: 44:05

Yeah.

Kellie: 44:05

I'm sorry, what I wish, I wish listeners could see Erin's head is like, "Uh-huh. Uh-huh."

Erin: 44:19

Oh, yeah.

Marcus Straub: 44:21

And so if we go down to page 17, we're going to get a look at the last six of these driving forces. The first continuum is called others, where you're either intentional or altruistic. Intentional people really are people who help other people if there's something in it for them, if the person's willing to help themselves, or if it helping them will help this person move something along. Altruistic people help for simply for the sake of helping. They just want to reduce suffering in the world. And you guys scored rather similarly here. So when it came to intentional, Erin, you were 47, Kellie, you were 44. Three points difference between the two of you. This falls into your situational driving forces category. In certain situations, this will be on, in certain situations, this will be off, depending on the situation. When it comes to that power, next one, we know that you're both on opposite ends of this. Erin, you're commanding, and Kellie, you're collaborative. So if we look at your scores, right, we can see that with collaborative, Erin scores a 28, Kellie scores a 61. Big difference. 33 points, that's wide. And so there is a difference that will have to be talked about, or it may cause you some challenges, like we talked about earlier. Commanding, Erin scored a 49, Kellie a 21. Again, pretty good little gap right there. Commanding, we know, is in Erin's top, and Kellie's commanding is down in her indifferent. That's not really what drives her. So she doesn't understand that value quite as well as Erin does. When we come to the last continuum methodologies, you're either receptive or you're structured. And we talked about this a little bit earlier. Kellie, we know that receptive is your number three driving force. You scored a 72, Erin scored a 35. But look at the next one. Erin scored a 47 on structured, whereas Kellie scored a 17. So Erin structured is in her situational category, sometimes on, sometimes off. And Kellie's structured is off all the time. It's just not on. And so there's a pretty good divide between these as well that are worth talking about. If you guys happen to come up against being too open, being too willing to try new things and always changing the direction and the mark and trying something new, or just can we just stay with what works, sister? That thing that we talked about earlier.

Kellie: 46:31

Got it.

Marcus Straub: 46:32

So hopefully, did you guys find these pages helpful just to kind of see overall what your scores were, what the difference was? In other words, the greater the difference, the larger the gap to close between the two of you. Does that make sense?

Kellie: 46:44

Yes. So what are some of the strategies of closing those gaps? Because we know there's listening and communication. Are there some strategies for us, for other people who may take a dive into disk and driving forces work to really overcome these differences when they show up? Or are the strategies really specific to each part of the continuum?

Marcus Straub: 47:16

Well, I think there's some basic things that everybody can do. So number one is understanding exactly what the difference is. And the only way you get that is having an assessment like this that shows you where you score and what the difference actually is between you and the other person. From there, it's a willingness and openness to accept that there is a difference and that that is okay. And number two, an openness and willingness to learn more about that position the other person has by talking to them. Why do you see it this way? Why is it such a strong value for you? You never know. You might learn something about the world, about life, or about that person if you're willing to actually ask those really genuine, neutral questions, listen intently, and be able to really try to understand the other person. And I think once people do that, they get the understanding of what's really going on here. And they also start to say, hey, you know what? I think we can help each other at different times because sometimes your driving force needs to lead here, and sometimes mine does. And sometimes we can combine them together and they really counterbalance us. That's how this really works.

Kellie: 48:17

Where I find this so powerful is it gives language to some of those spaces where you may be making assumptions, but you just don't have the accurate information. And so to have the words on paper and to have definitions and meaning attached to those words, I find helps have those very meaningful conversations to overcome challenge, to overcome assumption, to not think or feel negatively about somebody else, but just say, I want to raise my level of empathy. I want to understand more. I want to have a closer human connection. And this is just a really, really great opportunity to bring that to the forefront.

Marcus Straub: 49:10

Agreed. And you know, I didn't once know this information myself. And I'll tell you that now that I know it, I was running blind. And so is everybody else who doesn't have this information. We have some ideas about things, we have some feelings, but mostly what we have is judgments and assumptions. And when you get the real information and you do the real work, guess what? Assumptions go out the window. So do the judgments. We stop taking things personally. We have greater understanding and compassion, empathy for each other. We're able to work together, communicate, and live together at higher levels. Otherwise, we're running blind. That's why I work with these assessments with people, because I know the power.

Erin: 49:45

I want to say something too, because one of the things that has been so powerful for me personally, having this knowledge, is I feel like so often when we don't really understand who we are or why we do the things that we do, then it leaves us really open for other people dictating that in our lives. Right. And so I have found myself thinking back into times of my life where I just believed what other people said to me or about me to be true. And it wasn't that I necessarily agreed with it, but I didn't stand strong enough in who I was or understand myself enough to know who I was and why I am the way that I am and how I operate and how I think and what I believe and what drives me and all of the things. So I feel like having, like Kellie said, having the vocabulary, having the words to read and reread and study and absorb into my own heart and mind and soul and brain about this is who I am and this is how I operate in this world, has given me the ability to just give myself some more grace and not necessarily really try to change certain things about myself. And there are things that I have changed and continue to improve upon, but it has just given me permission to be me. And then the thing that changes then is how I respond to the things that people say and do around me because I can't control that, but then I can control how I respond to that. But these assessments have given me a lot of language and a lot of tools and a lot of knowledge about myself and how I operate that I didn't have before. And so it's very empowering.

Marcus Straub: 51:56

There's the word, I love it. I love it! Because now you get to stand in on your own two feet in the world, more solid is who you are, greater understanding of yourself, others, the reality in which you work, and you're so much more empowered in the face of your reality with other people. How good does that feel, Erin? Really good. Isn't it great? Yeah. I'm so glad you brought that up. That's one of the things I really like to try to do with people is hope that they will get what it is you just talked about with that, because it all starts with us, right? And understanding yourself first is the first thing. And we spend so much time looking around the world, trying to understand other people's systems, how to go along, how to get along. We need to turn our our gaze back upon ourselves and really understand ourselves more and bring that that more into balance, that continuum of understanding. And uh, I just love the way you described that's beautiful. Well, thank you. Absolutely. Well, now what we get to do, ladies, is we get to go to page 18 and we get to look at some potential strengths that come right out of your top four driving forces. Okay. And what I'd like to do here is I'd like to have Kellie read Erin's strengths and Erin read Kellie's, and through your opposite lenses of perception, give each other some feedback about what you see as their top three potential strengths out of this list of seven.

Erin: 53:19

Okay, so I'll read all of Kellie's strengths and then I'll highlight the top three.

Marcus Straub: 53:25

There you go.

Erin: 53:26

Okay. Kellie's strengths. Kellie continually seeks new knowledge and information. She focuses on information and facts. She seeks to make the unknown known. She values the journey as much as the destination. Kellie tends to focus on the emotions and balance in the environment. She might be open to new ideas, methods, and opportunities, and she may feel comfortable in a supporting role. Those are all incredible strengths, and I see all of those in you for sure. I think that the top three that really jump out to me are my gosh, how do I choose three? Kellie tends to focus on the emotions and balance in the environment. And I see that in work and in play and literally in the environment. Um, so that just really, that one just really speaks to me. And I know how highly emotional you are and how it is a it is a strength, and I think that often we see that as a weakness. Um, but it is a strength. So Kellie tends to focus on the emotions and balance in the environment. Yes. She values the journey as much as the destination. I love that. You really do embrace the journey, the adventure of it all. You want to get to the destination, but you are able to enjoy the journey, which I love. And I'll go back with number one. Kellie continually seeks new knowledge and information.

Marcus Straub: 55:10

Very nice. So basically, what you did was is the last one you picked comes right out of her intellectual driving force. And number four and number five come right out of her harmonious okay. So there you go. Kellie, how about Erin's strengths?

Kellie: 55:24

Oh, this will be fun. Erin's strengths. Erin values the journey as much as the destination. She sees value in and enjoys the experience of her surroundings. She sees the importance of the experience. She is able to quickly apply past knowledge. Erin is efficient, seeking specific information to address a current situation. She might provide assistance and resources with minimal expectation of personal return. She may value status and public recognition. Again, all great strengths. I think it'd be so fun for people to print this and always keep it somewhere where they can see it about themselves and each other.

Erin: 56:11

Yes.

Kellie: 56:12

Okay, so the top three, I'm gonna tap into my zero instinctive and just go with my gut. Because my intellectual wants to sit here and process through all of these for a long time. I'm going to pick Erin is efficient seeking specific information to address a current situation. Erin, when something comes up that demands an immediate decision or we are moving forward on something's very specific, you do have this really efficient capacity to just pull exactly what you need to pull from what you know or have learned and apply it to that situation in the moment. I think that's really awesome. Erin sees value in and enjoys the experience of her surroundings. And I know this aligns with our harmonious, but I I've always respected this so much about you. And I enjoy it every time I have the privilege of visiting you because we live in different cities and coming into your home. And I also love your love for succulence and how much you enjoy potting and repotting and buying new pots and populating all of your supplements and not supplements, your succulents. And I know that that brings you so much joy and so much pleasure. And so that part of your surroundings, I also know that when, especially recently, you have been in a situation where your surroundings have been a little bit chaotic. For example, pulling out all of the bins and boxes because we're working on the boxes project and they're stacked up in the living room because you can't get in them into the garage because somebody hasn't moved out yet. That that just works on you at such a deep level. Um, and your home is always beautiful and colorful and pictures, and it's just a representation of you and your family and your boys. And so I love that one about you. And I'm gonna pick number six, the Erin might provide assistance and resources with minimal expectation on of personal return. And what I see really here, Erin, is your value on building personal relationships with people that are authentic and genuine, and that they're not based on what can I get or you know, what can somebody else get, but they're really based and steeped in the joy and satisfaction that having that relationship in your life means to you. And I feel lucky that I'm one of those chosen people.

Marcus Straub: 59:01

Very good, ladies. So, what I want to share with everybody here is that her number two that you pick, Kellie, comes right out of her harmonious, her number five comes out of her instinctive, and her number six comes out of her selfless driving force. And the other thing I want to I want to ask you guys right here, right now, is again, having you guys look at each other's potential strength to share what you just shared with each other. How did that feel?

Erin: 59:24

Oh, it feels so good. Thank you, sister.

Kellie: 59:28

It does feel good. You know, Erin and I are both sensitive souls, and I think that that's come that comes through in our podcast where we both care very deeply, and we've overcome a lot of obstacle and a lot of challenge to get to this place. And so to go through these exercises together, to read these out loud about each other and to hear them about ourselves through somebody else's eyes, through their lens of perception. That's just an extraordinary gift.

Marcus Straub: 1:00:03

It's a lot of fun. It's always good to watch people's facial expressions when I do this with them, whether in person or via Zoom, because there were some things you said about Erin. She kind of like, wow. Even when Erin read some of her strengths on the page, she was like, Oh, I didn't realize that about myself. And then you and then you reinforce that by picking that very one that she had that reaction to. And so it really helps to drive it home.

Kellie: 1:00:24

That's cool.

Marcus Straub: 1:00:25

Well, next up is your limitations, uh, page 19 of your report. And there's two ways that this can be done, where either I had the same process where you guys look at each other's limitations, but I'd like to do it where you look at your own limitations. This is an exercise in self-awareness now, okay? So you're going to read some things on these pages that are pop potential limitations of you, given your primary driving forces, your top four driving forces. And I'd just like to challenge you a little bit to just be open, just self-discerning in a really good way with yourself, and just really be transparent with what you view as your possible limitations. And we'll start with you, Kellie, if we could have you read your list and then pick your three, please.

Kellie: 1:01:05

Kellie's limitations. Kellie can value discovery over other priorities. She may have difficulty when it comes time to apply the knowledge she has gained. She may make decisions without subjective or emotional considerations. Kellie's subjective feeling can conflict with objective reality. Her pursuit of experience supersedes practical concerns. She seeks change for the sake of change. She may pass on leadership opportunities.

Marcus Straub: 1:01:40

Very good. So which ones, what are you thinking here? What are you seeing in yourself?

Kellie: 1:01:45

I'm definitely going to pick number one. Kellie can value discovery over other priorities. I can get lost in learning wormholes.

Marcus Straub: 1:01:55

Yes.

Kellie: 1:01:58

And continuing to learn and uncover. And oh, well, that's intriguing and interesting. So I'll go down that rabbit hole and then that rabbit hole and then that rabbit hole. And then all this time, it's man, I've learned a lot. I've gained a lot of knowledge, but sometimes that can actually waste time. And then I lose that time to complete other projects or priorities that also demand attention. The second one I will pick, her pursuit of experiences supersedes practical concerns. I do love the journey and the experience. And I really always do focus on what I can learn from this experience, how can I grow from this experience? And so, yes, sometimes the pursuit of this experience can supersede practical matters. We could have a whole episode just on that one. And I'm actually going to pick she may pass on leadership opportunities. And I think this comes from not acknowledging that I'm a good leader or a capable leader. It is not having to be in or recognized as the leader. And so sometimes I will pass on those opportunities merely because I don't need to be in that position. And I love collaborating together as a team or in partnership. So it's not about leading, it's more about collaborating and partnering.

Marcus Straub: 1:03:32

Given that these are possible limitations, do you think that you ever limit yourself? You are driven to be collaborative, no doubt. And there are probably certain situations where you are the person in the room that should be leading what's going on. And you may pass on that because you're so focused on the collaborative aspect when you still can collaborate as a leader.

Kellie: 1:03:51

Absolutely.

Marcus Straub: 1:03:52

Okay, well done, sweetheart. Good job. Erin, your turn.

Erin: 1:03:56

All right. Erin's subjective feeling can conflict with objective reality. If Erin identifies an imbalance or distraction in one area, it may affect other or all aspects of life. She may be unable to perform when she feels out of balance. She may start a project without all the required information. Erin can rely too much on past experience and intuition. She can potentially waste resources. She may not consider people when seeking personal advancement. Okay, well, number two is exactly what I was just talking about earlier. So nailed that one. If Erin identifies an imbalance or distraction in one area, it may affect other or all aspects of life. That goes back to the spaghetti analogy where everything in my life touches everything else. And I do feel like if something is off balance in one area of my life, then all of a sudden all areas of my life, most areas of my life at least, feel out of whack. So that is very true for me. And so number three falls right on the heels of that and is also very accurate. She may be unable to perform when she feels out of balance. I do feel like I freeze when I'm out of balance. And then everything seems overwhelming. And so then I don't know where to start. So then I just don't start. And so that's a really vicious cycle, actually, in my life, um, in a lot of ways. And so that is definitely something that is a limitation for sure, and definitely something that I need to navigate through. And then the third one I'm going to pick is I'm gonna pick number six. She can potentially waste resources with the first resource that comes to mind is time. And I think that that's our most valuable resource. And I again speaking to what I just shared with sometimes when I'm out of balance, I just freeze. And so then that becomes a time waster for me. And I I can spend a lot of time doing nothing because I don't know what to do or where to start, or yes, feel very overwhelmed, you know, and so then I just freeze.

Marcus Straub: 1:06:38

Well done. And one of the marks of the one you just talked about, number six, that's that's that's coming out of your selfless category, is you're not focused on efficiency of resources or efficiency of use of resources, whereas a resourceful person would. And you're also a high eye, easily distracted, you have a slower pace, and it's just not, you know, some things I'm kind of postponed the unpleasant, or I'll put that off till later, and I'm doing something a little more fun now or whatever. And it can wind up really costing you a lot of time at the end of the day, which I think is what you're saying.

Erin: 1:07:07

Yeah, 100%.

Marcus Straub: 1:07:08

Well done, ladies. Do you think it's really nice to see in black and white what some limitations are that you easily identified are in your life and active right now? And with that information, what does that mean? Greater awareness. If you use it to regulate yourself, you can actually sort of guide yourself gently back onto course with these things. Kellie can go down rabbit holes with knowledge. Oh, wait, but I have this other priority I need to get done. I'll come back to this later when I have more time. Or I really have some things I'd like to do or just kind of mess around for a while, but I've also created some deadlines so Erin not wasting that time and saying, Hey, let me just use this time, check this off my list, and then I'll go do what I want to do. So it really can help both of you reduce these limitations and really accentuate what you're trying to do, whether it's personal or professional. Love that. Good job, you guys. Now we get to talk about two really interesting things. You know, our driving forces energize us, and there's also certain stressors that we have when people are typically have a different driving force than we do. We get to start with energizers first. So, this is good information for you based on your four primary driving forces. What energizes you? What are your potential energizers from those? Again, we're gonna read your own columns and come up with your top three. Erin, why don't we start with you? Let's do your energizers. And out of the top seven that you have, which three give you the most energy?

Erin: 1:09:05

Okay. Erin is energized when able to express imagination. She appreciates beauty and harmony. She is energized by improving her environment. She likes to discover specific knowledge. Erin decides based on intuition. She is energized by completing tasks. She is energized by the pursuit of advancement opportunities. Ooh. Okay, I'm going to go with number three. She is energized by improving her environment. I think Kellie spoke to this a little bit as well, but yeah. Indoors, outdoors, I am energized by improving my environment. That describes me perfectly. I am energized by completing tasks. I really like marking things off of a list. Sometimes I'll put things on the list I've already done just so I can mark them off.

Kellie: 1:10:03

I do that too.

Marcus Straub: 1:10:05

" I had a great day!"

Kellie: 1:10:08

Or I'll put it on all three of my lists so then I get to mark it off three times!

Erin: 1:10:14

It's hilarious. Um, but really true. I just I find a lot of satisfaction in completing tasks and then completing lists, and it does provide me with a sense of accomplishment and gives me energy then that I take into the next task. It makes me really ready to start the next one because I feel accomplished. So I am energized by completing tasks. And then the third one that I'm gonna choose is kind of torn between actually number one and number seven. But I, I'll go with number seven. I am energized by the pursuit of advancement opportunities.

Marcus Straub: 1:10:54

It's a great one, right?

Erin: 1:10:55

Yeah, I get excited when I think about what's next and how I can grow.

Marcus Straub: 1:11:01

So well done, Erin. And I think what's really important here is as you look at these, it's important that you work on improving your environment on a consistent basis. It gives you energy. Getting tasks done. So when you think of wasting time or getting things done and checking them off your list, which gives you more energy, let's do the one that gets you more energy and checks off your list, right? And also pursuit and advancement opportunities, right? So doing the work, doing what you need to do to try to get that advancement that you're after, that really gives you energy. And so when we know it gives us energy and we choose to consciously do those things, we energize ourselves. Think about that. You're taking control of the wheel of your life, and you're saying, I'm gonna do what makes me feel good and what gives me energy. Boom! And you've got three right there. Good job.

Erin: 1:11:46

Thank you, Kellie.

Marcus Straub: 1:11:48

How about your energizers?

Kellie: 1:11:50

Sure. Kellie's energizers. Kellie will learn continuously. She is energized by the opportunity to objectively analyze ideas. She is energized by discovering new information. She is energized when able to express imagination. Kellie enjoys experiencing her surroundings. She is energized by thinking out of the box. She wants to feel included. Well, yes, all of these things energize me. And they all help me be more productive. I am going to pick energized by thinking out of the box. I think we've all come to agreement on that one, that I just I love growth and innovation and new concepts and you know, different ways that we can do things, honoring our past, but also celebrating what's ahead in the future. Ooh, they're all so good. Kellie is energized when able to express imagination, which I think goes hand in hand with my out-of-the-box thinking. You know, when I'm able to express and talk about or create what's in my imagination, you know, whether that's in written word or through drawings or creative pursuits, or even just talking as an expression of my imagination. And I'm torn too between experiencing her surroundings and discovering new information. But because that one is so tied to the others, I'm gonna go with experiencing her surroundings. And whether that's being here with the two of you in Zoom in my office, right, I get to experience this, or being out in the garden and the yard and working with the flowers and the plants, or escaping to the wilderness for 11 days and just being lost in that moment and being in full immersion of my surroundings is what I really love, whether it's the people, the animals, the plants, the but whatever's part of that surrounding, I want to experience it fully.

Marcus Straub: 1:14:05

Very nice. I think that something important to point out here is that I know you very well, sweetheart. And you are energized by all seven of these. You really, really are, including she wants to feel included. When you don't feel included, that's a stressor, which is likely to show up on the next page.

Erin: 1:14:20

Yes.

Marcus Straub: 1:14:21

And so what I want to share too is that the first three come out of your number one Driving Force. Okay? Four and five come out of your number two driving force, six comes out of your number three, and seven out of your number four. These are all primary driving forces, these are like nutrients that you need to have on an ongoing, consistent basis in order to feel fulfilled in your life. And so when you pick only three, I'm just trying to highlight these for you guys. But in all reality, if you could engage all seven of those, you would really be happy about it. All people, typically speaking. So I'm only trying to highlight the big ones you're picking out, but all seven need your attention.

Kellie: 1:15:01

That makes perfect sense.

Marcus Straub: 1:15:03

All right. Well, now let's go to the other side of the coin: stressors. Because if we know what energizes us, we could do more of it, get more energy. If we know what stresses us, we could do less of it and be less stressed based on our driving forces. So, Kellie, let's start with you. You have seven stressors here. Please read them to us and let us know what really stresses you out the most. The top three.

Kellie: 1:15:23

You got it. Kellie stressors. Kellie is stressed when knowledge is restricted. She is turned off when people approach ideas subjectively. She is stressed by an environment with no opportunity for intellectual growth. She does not like an over-emphasis on function. Kellie gets frustrated with a disregard for balance. She is frustrated by repetitive acts. She gets stressed when individual achievements are recognized. I'm definitely gonna go with number three. Kellie is stressed by an environment with no opportunity for intellectual growth. I'll go with number five. Kellie gets frustrated with a disregard for balance. And I will go with I'll go with number one when knowledge is restricted.

Marcus Straub: 1:16:16

Well, given that you like to learn as much as you do, there's no opportunity for intellectual growth to learn, to be more, to understand more, and knowledge is restricted. That obviously would not be your happy place, right? Right.

Kellie: 1:16:28

Yeah.

Marcus Straub: 1:16:28

Very easy to see that that's important that you avoid those kinds of things. And because you're doing your own thing, you actually have lots of opportunity for intellectual growth. And the pursuit of knowledge is really not restricted unless you redirect yourself because you need to do something else instead of go down another rabbit hole of knowledge, right? Which is just self-regulation. Very good. And then the harmonious Kellie gets frustrated with a disregard for balance. There's your harmonious right there. You know, just balance feels so good to somebody like you that if somebody disregards that, it really can disturb and stress you out, given who you are as a human being and what you value. So again, on page 21, we're looking at Erin's stressors now. Erin, you've got seven, too. What are your top three stressors?

Erin: 1:17:09

All right. Well, here's the list. Erin does not like an overemphasis on function. She does not enjoy lackluster surroundings. She is stressed when in an unappealing environment. She does not enjoy the learning of excessive information. Conducting extensive research makes Erin stressed. That's funny. She is stressed when success is measured through efficiency, and she gets stressed when she lacks authority. So interesting. Um I'm gonna go with number four. She does not enjoy the learning of excessive information because the keyword there for me is excessive. Yes. Just tell me what I need to know. Because I do enjoy learning, but there's a limit to the amount that I want to learn typically about new things. I will go with number six. She has stressed when success is measured through efficiency. And I think that that one just strikes me because I do place a lot of value on quality work. And so I would rather take my time and do something very thoroughly and do it correctly. So I think about especially, you know, in work life, than when my success is measured through just getting things marked off of my list more quickly. Then I s I question the quality of my work. Does that make sense? It does. Okay. And then it's so interesting because I read number two and three. Like she does not enjoy lackluster surroundings, or she is stressed when in an unappealing environment. And it's so funny because I've never really thought about that for myself. I don't see them as necessarily as stressors. But when I read both of those, I was like, oh, but if I was with the right people, I'd be okay. It wouldn't matter what my surroundings were if I was with the right person or the right people, you know. And so that was really interesting to me if I was by myself in those environments. So anyway, I just wanted to bring that up. I'm not sure how I how I really feel about that. Um, but I would even say then number five does make me stressed. And only because typically when I'm and number five is conducting extensive research makes Erin stressed. It just kind of falls in line with just give me what I need to know to do my job or to get this task marked off of my list. And so when I have when I have to do a deep dive into something just to learn about something in order to do a task, I find that annoying. That is a stressor for me.

Marcus Straub: 1:20:06

Is it exhausting too? Because just the tone of your voice, the way you're talking about it in the body language like that would be exhausting.

Erin: 1:20:12

I'm like, I'm exhausted just thinking about having to do that!

Marcus Straub: 1:20:16

Exactly, exactly.

Erin: 1:20:19

So yeah, like it just wears me out. So those would be the those would be the top three that I would choose for myself.

Marcus Straub: 1:20:25

Well done, ladies. So now you know what your big primary stressors are. You can work on all seven, the three that you highlighted, whichever it is, but it's in your hands now to reduce your stress in these areas, which is where you want the power to be, anyways, right? In your own hands.

Erin: 1:20:39

That's right.

Marcus Straub: 1:20:40

When we go to page 22, we're coming up towards the end of the report. What we get to look at is your side-by-side graphs, which are visual representations which really let you see where you align and where you don't, where there's a bigger divide between you, or very little or none at all between you. And it's just a really good snapshot for that. Do you guys see that the power of that? How you could look at that and say, Oh, the color scheme, everything, the way that this is done, it really makes it easy to see where we are more alike than not.

Erin: 1:21:08

Yeah.

Marcus Straub: 1:21:09

And then if we go to page 23, what we're doing now is we're blending your driving forces, your top four driving forces, with your behavioral profile. Okay. We're putting those two together and we're saying now, when we put these two aspects of yourself, your behavior, how you do what you do, and your driving forces, why you do what you do, what are some things that come out of that that are really powerful? And the first thing we come to are potential behavioral and motivational strengths. So I'd like to flip you guys again on this one. Look at each other's columns and through different lenses of perception, let's identify from the other person's perspective what your top three strengths are. Kellie, would you care to go?

Kellie: 1:21:51

All right. Erin's strengths, an accommodating team member that brings balance to the organization, supports a leader and a cause that brings about beauty or creativity, attentive listening when being presented with relevant facts and figures, will keep sensitive information safe when necessary while also divulging the specifics, takes a methodical approach to implementing changes that can positively impact people and the company, loyal and consistent in using the resources she has been allocated, leads by example in a quiet and methodical way, will take a firm stance when her position or status is questioned. You're so awesome. These are all great strengths of yours, unequivocally. I'm going to pick as the top three. I don't know how that plays out necessarily in a professional work environment, although we have had conversations about doing that in a professional and work environment. So I think that's why that one specifically stands out for me. And I really admire, not that it's always easy, but your willingness to take that firm stance when you need to. That when relevant information is being presented, when we're having a discussion about something that needs to be decided, and I'm bringing information to you, yes, you are very attentive in your listening. And we always, I feel, make a good, strong, sound, pretty quick decision so that we can move forward. And I'm gonna pick one, an accommodating team member that brings balance to the organization. And this goes back to the yin and yang that we are, I think, for each other. But because of your high I, high S behavioral style, your pace does have a very soothing effect on the environment around you, including me. Even though my S is lower, having that higher S sometimes helps me actually slow down and lean into the moment, lean into the environment, lean into the situation in a way that not only accommodates your strengths, but is really helpful to me as a human being and as your sister at the same time.

Marcus Straub: 1:24:58

Very nice.

unknown: 1:25:00

Thank you.

Marcus Straub: 1:25:01

All right, Erin, page 23, Kellie's strengths. Take a look at her top eight and see what you come up with.

Erin: 1:25:07

All right, here we go. Kellie's strengths. Willing to share knowledge to benefit the team or organization, volunteers her knowledge on many subjects, always willing to share her ideas on how to enhance the surroundings, motivates others to express themselves, tends to promote new ideas to the organization, willing to talk to all types of people about multiple topics, works toward turning conflict into cooperation, and can be the spokesperson or play a supporting role for the team. Also so good. Such a great list. Very comprehensive. I love it. Oh man, okay. So the top three that I will choose are I'm gonna choose number seven first. Works towards turning conflict into cooperation. I have seen this play out in your life in so many ways, in so many areas, and it definitely makes sense knowing your drive to be harmonious in all things um and to not like conflict, but you always seek to resolve conflict. It's not that you want to walk away from it or brush it under the rug, like you really seek resolution in conflict. And so I would say that you do take a very active role in working towards turning conflict into cooperation and to smoothing things out and over with people. So it's very admirable, and I've seen it in work and personal life with me, with kids, with everything. So it definitely speaks to just who you are across the board. God, they're all so good.

Kellie: 1:27:01

Um this is where I interject Jeopardy music. Do do do do do do do.

Erin: 1:27:12

Don't pressure me. I will break! I will...

Kellie: 1:27:14

I'm not. That's why I'm interjecting Jeopardy music! Do do do do do do do do do.

Erin: 1:27:25

Um so fun. I'm gonna go with number one, willing to share knowledge to benefit the team or organization. You enjoy doing your deep dive into learning, and then you enjoy sharing what you found with others and helping other people, me specifically, understand the why behind it. And so I really appreciate that because you don't just share facts and knowledge just to share facts and knowledge. There, it's more purposeful than that. And so there is that that benefit to the team, whether it's the team of you and me, right, doing the P-I-G podcast, your family team, whatever that is. So I appreciate that about you. And I'm gonna go with number four motivates others to express themselves. I think that you provide a really safe space for people to express themselves. And you ask a lot of questions and then you listen very intently, and you give people encouragement to express their thoughts and their feelings. But how you handle that information makes you a really safe place to do that without judgment, and so I definitely see that as a strength there. Thank you.

Marcus Straub: 1:28:52

Well done, ladies. So page 23 has yet again provided us another opportunity to just sort of see yourself through the eyes of your sister or another human being and to really try to understand yourself at a deeper level because they've shared things with you from their heart, what they see, what they know, what they believe, what they value about you. Beautiful.

Kellie: 1:29:12

It really is. Thank you.

Marcus Straub: 1:29:14

All right, we've got two pages to go. If we go to page 24, we get to talk about your potential conflicts. So this is where your behaviors and your motivators may clash a little bit, right? And work against you. So let's take your own, Erin. We'll start with you. Will you please read your eight potential conflicts and pick the three that really stand out to you through your self-awareness about uh, yep, this is this is real in my life.

Erin: 1:29:38

Yes. All right, Erin's conflicts faces difficulty establishing priorities regarding her feelings. If the environment is shaken, she struggles to speak up to realign it, may withhold the sharing of past experience to meet her security needs, may not share intuitive thoughts if it jeopardizes her security. May put all her eggs in one basket with little regard for return, may struggle to help with daily objectives if she feels rushed, forgives but has a hard time forgetting, and can come across as stubborn and unwilling to change. Me? Stubborn? That has never been a word I have heard used to describe me at all. Okay. Um, yeah, this is this is a good list. This is accurate for me. I am going to choose number eight. Can come across as stubborn and unwilling to change. I feel like I have learned so much about myself in recent years, and then especially now continuing to dive through these assessments that I think that I have actually grown a lot in this area, especially in my willingness to change and to see things differently. But I also really still stand firm in who I am and my experiences. And so I do absolutely understand how things can come across in a different way depending on the circumstance. So I do really see this as a potential conflict, and I'm very aware of that. Um I'm gonna choose number four. I may not share intuitive thoughts if it jeopardizes her security. I do not like to rock the boat, and so I do just kind of like that feeling of security, and so I tend to just shut down and be quiet a little bit if I feel like that is at risk. And I will choose six. Again, I think that ties back into stuff that we have talked about, which is may struggle to help with daily objectives if she feels rushed. I don't like to feel rushed.

Marcus Straub: 1:32:01

Well done. Well done. Kellie, how about your conflict?

Kellie: 1:32:05

Okay, so here's the list. May be too trusting of people as resources, may present facts and figures with too much emotion, over-emphasizes the experience compared to the result, overly optimistic in her ability to bring balance to any situation, may be ineffective when sharing the details of new methods with others, may use inappropriate forums to express new ideas, can disclose the agenda to the wrong people, constructive criticism can be very beneficial if she can focus on the details. I have a question: is that constructive criticism coming to me or constructive criticism that I'm giving to others?

Marcus Straub: 1:32:54

That is a good question. How would you like to take it?

Kellie: 1:32:57

Because it's a conflict, Kellie's conflicts, I'm going to take it as constructive criticism coming to me if I just focus on the details and that's it. Just the details of what's coming at me.

Marcus Straub: 1:33:11

Yeah.

Kellie: 1:33:12

Not the emotions. Okay.

Marcus Straub: 1:33:13

That's good. That's exactly what it's about. It's about the details as opposed to the emotions.

Kellie: 1:33:18

Man, they're all good. I was just gonna go one, two, three off the bat, but I have as I read through them, I am gonna choose one and two, maybe two trusting of people as resources and may present facts and figures with too much emotion. The first one is as a very high eye, I have a very high level of optimism and trust. And I have learned through experience that trusting people unequivocally has backfired and burned me in some ways that have taught me to just be more cautious and to not just go all in and give everything. I've that's been a hard lesson to learn through my lifetime. And that people don't always do what they say they're going to do or show up as they say they're gonna show up when I believe that they will. And here it says as a resource. So I'm concluding that that's what it means because that's something I really value. That when I say I'm going to do something or I'm going to show up, I deliver on that to the best of my ability and I apologize and take responsibility for it when I don't. And so that's been a lesson that I've had to learn. Uh, presenting facts and figures with too much emotion. I don't think I need to tell the two of you that this is something that I do because both of you know it. Um, you've been on the receiving end of that. I get excited about information or knowledge that I've learned. And so I go into scientist mode and tap into my excitement and emotion and high eye about that and my Italian hands that are going everywhere. So sometimes I can express that with too much emotion. I really like number five, maybe ineffective when sharing the details of new methods with others because I can over-talk and over-explain. And so that creates inefficiency instead of focusing on the details, which can create and lead to more efficiency, which is why I asked the question about number eight on the constructive criticism. So that that would have been a number three, too. They were they were right there for me.

Marcus Straub: 1:35:32

Well, well done, ladies. Again, what you have here is a page that really heightens your level of self-awareness. All you have to do is be aware of these potential conflicts. And when they show up in your life, stop right there, practice the pause, remind yourself of what's going on, and make a conscious choice with intention about how you'd like to move forward, knowing this about yourself. As you do over time, you'll grow tremendous strength within you. And guess what? We get to end on the last page, page 25, your ideal environment. So we're taking your disc and your driving forces, blending them together, and we're saying, hey, here are eight potential things that you would like in your ideal environment, and you get to choose the three that you like the most. Kellie, would you like to start?

Kellie: 1:36:16

Sure. Kellie's ideal environment, a leadership team that is optimistic toward learning new concepts or theories, continuous learning in a team atmosphere where people share openly, a fun and creative working environment, ability to develop new and out-of-the-box ideas with others, the ability to celebrate the success of a project being completed using an innovative approach, the ability to blend her creative and optimistic problem-solving approaches, the opportunity to display excitement and fun while getting things done, a supportive environment filled with optimistic people. Can I just choose all eight?

Marcus Straub: 1:37:01

I know, right?

Kellie: 1:37:03

I like them all. And the opportunity to also do the same with Erin and the way that we've been able to do to build that together, that fun and creative working environment brings me a lot of joy. Continuous learning in a team atmosphere where people share openly. Uh, I think that goes without saying. I love to share new ideas, I love other people to share and contribute. And we come together as a team, we partner, we collaborate, and we knock it out of the ballpark. I just, I love that. And I, oh gosh, I'm gonna go with six, the ability to blend her creative and optimistic problem-solving approaches. I think again, that speaks to my love for innovation and new ideas and out-of-the-box thinking all in one.

Marcus Straub: 1:38:08

Well done. Well done. They're all true of you, absolutely. Erin?

Erin: 1:38:12

Love it. Okay, Erin's ideal environment. A leader that appreciates and understands the value of team harmony and follow-up and follow-through, time for personal reflection and an appreciation for staying balanced, a credible manager that provides the necessary information, specific information to support the reasons for change, time to allow for the completion of current tasks or projects prior to making a change, rewards for a methodical and persistent drive to better the organization, forum to challenge change for the sake of change, an opportunity to be the silent leader behind the team. Okay. Um, let's see. My top three are going to be number two, time for personal reflection and an appreciation for staying balanced. Something that I am constantly striving for. I place a lot of value on having necessary information. So I am going to go with number three, a credible manager that provides the necessary information. And number five, going back to the time to allow for the completion of current tasks or projects prior to making a change.

Marcus Straub: 1:39:33

Very nice. Very nice. What I like to encourage people to do is to look at this list and figure out how much of this do you already have in your life? And if you do have it in your life, lean into it because you you're you're getting what's in your ideal environment. If you don't have it, then see what you could do, particularly in a situation where it's you two sisters working together. What can you guys do to help each other have as much of this stuff in your ideal environment with each other in the work and the life that you do together, so that you both can have the satisfaction and the fulfillment that you're looking for? So it's a really powerful page, too, if we use it appropriately. And and that really winds up our assessment review, you guys. I like you, I hope that our leaders really could get a handle on how fun this is, number one, how informative this is for really necessary information in life. Otherwise, like we said before, you're running blind, you know, when there's so much you could know about yourself and about others, it would help you along the way in this wonderful journey we call life. And that we really just could show everybody how you can do this in a constructive fashion, how helpful it can be, and that there's something here for everybody. If you just want to understand yourself, that's a great place to start. If you want to try to understand others a little bit better so you can communicate with them, instead of making assumptions, having judgments, you can understand them and work with them at higher levels. There's a lot of power, a lot of beauty, a lot of wonderful things that come out of understanding this information, turning it into a functional tool in your life, meaning don't leave it in a binder, don't leave it on your computer. Look at it, work on it regularly, talk about it regularly, bring it to life, breathe life into it by engaging it on a consistent basis. And before you know it, it becomes a part of who you are. And once it becomes a part of who you are, it starts to happen more automatically out of habit instead of having to encourage yourself to do it. I've really had a lot of fun working with both of you today. I just love the body language that I've been able to see, the light bulb moments, the satisfaction, the just the total experience that you guys have had through this process. And I'm really grateful that you had me on to share this with you, to share this with your listeners. And I wish you both vast success with what you now know about yourselves and each other as you move forward in your life as sisters and as podcast hosts on the P-I-G.

Erin: 1:41:42

Wow. Thank you, Marcus, for just your incredible insight and wisdom. I know how passionate you are about the work that you do, and I've been so privileged to see it, to watch it unfold with you working with other people, and then what a privilege it has been to work with you on these assessments now in a couple of different areas. And you're so thoughtful and wise and thorough. And I always learn so much from you. So thank you so much for being here and for pouring so much of yourself and your time and your energy and your wisdom and your thoughts into us and helping us improve and be better and stronger and to have a deeper understanding of not only how this impacts us personally, but then how it impacts how we work together in producing the podcast. And so this has been a joy.

Kellie: 1:42:43

Well, I could go on and on and on and on and on, and I could ask lots and lots and lots and lots of questions to bring us to a close today because there's so much application for this information near and far. And I think the biggest takeaway for me through this in the hot seat coaching experience with you, Erin, has been understanding each other at a far greater level and continuing to take this information that we know about each other and that we continue to learn about each other because we keep this at the forefront. And not just deepening our own relationship, but the relationship between our families, the relationship with our listeners, the relationship that we are building with each and every guest who becomes a part of the P-I-G, and the broader mission that we have to bring stories of life, love, loss, and legacy to the surface and really encouraging people that how you live is the legacy that you're leaving. And if we can live with more awareness about ourselves, more awareness about others to bridge gaps, to overcome difficulties and challenges, then life becomes really, really, really, really great. And it is fun being us on a day in and day out basis. And so I have the privilege and the pleasure of doing life with Marcus every single day and to be able to share his insights and his wisdoms, not just between us in this format, but with everybody who's listening, is a real joy for me because I have watched firsthand the lives that have been impacted by this work over 25 years. And the assessments just keep getting better and better and better because they're very accurate, they're very scientifically validated. This is a very good resource with a very good company. And so I want to, as a call to action, encourage people to really evaluate where you're at in your own life and your business right now, inside your own home and at work. And if this is something that you think could be really beneficial for you, reach out and connect and explore what this could mean for you and for your future. And so with that, Marcus, we would love to have you just share how people can reach out and connect with you. And any closing thoughts from you, and we'll wrap it up.

Marcus Straub: 1:45:29

Well, first of all, I'd just like to say thank you, ladies. I appreciate just sitting here kind of basking in the love and appreciation that you've just shared with me. It feels good. I love you guys too, and I'm really grateful to be involved with this project and be involved with your listeners. And I just wish you both the best with everything that you do, always. So, for those of you who'd like to learn more about me, what I do, you can reach out to me on my website, ligcoaching.com. I have a contact page on there. You can just go ahead and click on that and get in touch with me from there. Uh, you can also reach me at Marcus, M-A-R-C-U-S at LIGcoaching.com. Send me an email. I'm also on social media as well. I've got uh Facebook presence, Instagram presence, and a LinkedIn presence. So you can find me a bunch of different places. Wherever you find me, please reach out if you're interested. Happy to talk to you.

Kellie: 1:46:21

Thank you, Marcus. This has been amazing. Let's do it again.

Marcus Straub: 1:46:25

Thank you, ladies.

Kellie: 1:46:28

Every relationship has a story, and every story deserves a reset. That's why we created the P-I-G Relationship Reset, a guided, personalized journey designed to help you and the people you love move from reaction to real connection. This is the very same process that helped Erin and me rebuild understanding, communication, and compassion after years of quiet disconnect. It wasn't about fixing what was broken, it was about picking up the rug and sweeping out the crumbs to see them for what they really were, without judgment or upset, and deepening what was possible for our relationship and our future. Inside this exclusive program, available only through the P-I-G podcast, you'll work directly with Marcus across three private coaching sessions using your own disc and driving forces assessments, along with the very same relationship comparison report we used in this two-part series. You'll explore powerful self-awareness tools and resources that help you discover, understand, and heal together. Learning how to communicate without defensiveness, listen without judgment, and reconnect with purpose, intention, and gratitude. As an added bonus, you'll also gain exclusive access to our Living Legacy Journal, a guided companion created to help you reflect, grow, and see yourself and each other more clearly. Begin your journey of rediscovery today because your living legacy is already unfolding. To learn more and begin your own relationship reset, visit the P-I-G podcast.com/ relationship-reset or click the link in the show notes. We can't wait to walk this journey with you. We hope today's conversation offered you insight, encouragement, or even just a moment to pause and reflect on the story you're living and the legacy you're creating.

Erin: 1:49:02

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Kellie: 1:49:17

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Erin: 1:49:32

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